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{"id":2328,"date":"2009-01-19T21:58:57","date_gmt":"2009-01-19T21:58:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.whydontyou.org.uk\/blog\/?p=2328"},"modified":"2009-01-19T22:04:58","modified_gmt":"2009-01-19T22:04:58","slug":"jeremy-whines","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.whydontyou.org.uk\/blog\/2009\/01\/19\/jeremy-whines\/","title":{"rendered":"Jeremy Whines"},"content":{"rendered":"

Radio presenter Jeremy Vine was given space by the Daily Mail<\/a> to complain about how unfair the UK is to Christians. The headline says:<\/p>\n

Why I won\u2019t discuss my Christianity on air, by Radio 2 and Panorama host Jeremy Vine<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Let me stop you, right there Jeremy. You host a lunch-time radio show. Your job probably involves introducing records and refereeing phone-in “debates” about nonsense. If you started discussing your religion in that context, people would be as interested as they would be if the local newsagent explained why she followed the Nicene creed. They would switch off. This applies even more to Panorama, which is supposed to be a serious current affairs programme.<\/p>\n

Show a bit of humility, Jeremy. A presenter is the linkman or linkwoman. The clue’s in the name. You are supposed to link items. People don’t watch Panorama to find out what religious beliefs the presenter holds. Just as they don’t care what you had for breakfast or how many stairs you have in your hallway.<\/p>\n

He admitted that he avoided discussing the subject on air, saying it is now ‘almost socially unacceptable to say you believe in God’. (from the Mail)<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

I would like to think that were true. But I suspect it’s only “socially unacceptable” in the way that traditional etiquette regards talking about religion or politics as unacceptable in polite society. Only true for that specific interpretation of “socially.” And discussing religion or politics is considered bad manners (not that that ever stopped me, but my manners are shite) because people start insulting each other and getting angry and “polite” society stops being “polite.”<\/p>\n

If you are presenting a Panorama programme on the economy, it would be more than bad manners to say “… and by the way, I’m a Christian…” It would be like saying “Stop talking about boring things. Talk about ME.” Boosting your own sense of self-importance isn’t supposed to be in the job description.<\/p>\n

His remarks follow a claim last month by Roman Catholic Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor that Britain has become an ‘unfriendly’ place to the religious. (from the Mail)<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Yeah, right. See the chart (Ok, it’s a US chart, admittedly. We are a bit more heathen in the UK and the kinds of non-christians are a bit different, but it’s just a graphic…)<\/p>\n

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Religion...<\/p><\/div>\n

“Has become”?… I don’t know whether Britain is any less religion-friendly than it’s ever been. I am pretty confident that shoving your religion in people’s faces, unsolicited, has never brought a friendly response.<\/p>\n

The Jeremy Vine piece brought out the reliable harvest of Mail comment-nutters, many of whom seem to be suffering from fatwah-envy. This is one that could have come straight from the twat-o-tron<\/a> without human intervention.<\/p>\n

Mr. Vine’s situation is caused by PC run amok.
\nThe world has a ‘Religion’ that is secular now.
\nIt’s all about: group rights; gray-area standards; adjustable truths; climate change and radical ‘greeness’; and marginalising real faith as anachronistic and childish. (except for Islam ,of course. ) …<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

*snigger* (If I was playing Bigot-speak Bingo, I think this would give me a full house.)<\/p>\n

That’s by someone from Texas, who would never get to suffer the effects if every UK daytime easy-listening radio-show-presenter started using his or her airtime to present his or her philosophy of life.<\/p>\n

But 34 other people, who you assume haven’t thought through the consequences, have clicked to vote for this comment. (What am I saying? These are people who, almost by definition, can’t think through the consequences.)<\/p>\n

Pretty consistently, the comments that are like that one get lots of pro-votes. The ones with the big-minus votes are the ones like this (minus 17):<\/p>\n

I think Jeremy Vine is alone in feeling like this as most of the time it seems like every man and his dog insist on spouting out about their faith. Indeed several BBC radio shows have features dedicated to this.
\nReligion is reclaiming public ground, not only have the number of faith schools increased in the last few years but creationism is now going to be taught in science lessons!
\nIt is interesting that some people of faith are now finding it uncomfortable to speak about their faith as this is how people of no faith have felt for decades…<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Yes, there are well more than enough tv and radio shows that deal with religion. On purpose. People who want to hear about religion can choose to watch or listen to these. How hard is that to accept, Jeremy?<\/p>\n

Let me explain. People who watch Top Gear want to watch a show about cars. If Jeremy Clarkson started discussing how to make feather-light shortcrust pastry, the viewers would get pissed off. Even if they really like cooking, they don’t expect cooking in a car show. They would use the remote control or the channel dial or the off switch.<\/p>\n

(Ok, even if my radio had a broken off-switch, I wouldn’t listen to the Jeremy Vine show, but I think the point still stands.)<\/p>\n

W00t. It seems that you can vote on Daily Mail comments without logging in. I will give it a try. I boost all the big red minus ones. This short and sweet one is still the lowest (at 34 minuses) even after my non-divine intervention :<\/p>\n

Good, don’t discuss it as we don’t want to hear it. We hear enough rubbish from your religious leaders.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

*smirk*<\/p>\n

Wow, I just came up with a new hobby. Anyone can join in. Voting down all the bigotry-central Daily Mail comments and voting up the saner ones. If there were enough people willing to waste ten minutes a day, the Mail might even suspect it had misjudged the zeitgeist and rein in the tone of its more extreme pieces.<\/p>\n

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