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The nonsense, and false controversy, created by Expelled<\/em> just seems to never want to go away. In this respect the Discovery Institute really hit on to a winner with what could best be described as a poor first attempt by an art student film. Atheist and science blogs have been discussing the nonsense for what seems like eternity. I cant imagine how anyone could even begin to pay for this amount of publicity but there you go. Sadly, I actually feel that all this furore around the crap<\/span> film is actually required.<\/p>\n

\"Gorilla's<\/a>Once upon a time I was optimistic about the human race. In this mindset I would have thought to myself “everyone seeing this film will realise it is total bullshit and ignore it.” I have, sadly, learned to think differently. When nonsense is placed into the public domain it can be either challenged or ignored. By challenging it the nonsense rises to the status of “controversy” and there is (in the public mind at least) the concept of a debate taking place. By ignoring it, the unthinking public begin to think it has merit and it slowly becomes an accepted “truth.” It really is a lose:lose situation for rational science. I can not think of a way to avoid the nonsense taking over the Earth, but at least, where I can, I will try to challenge it.<\/p>\n

With this in mind, I came across a gorgeous picture of an American church on flickr<\/a>. This is a very attractive picture so please, take a moment to visit and have a look – if you have a flickr account, please let the photographer know what you think of the picture (and he has a pretty good photostream).<\/p>\n

It all went downhill, however, when I read the description of the picture.<\/p>\n

Freedom of thought and expression are two of the most basic tenants of any free society.
\nWithout those two things, you do not have a free society.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Well, I pretty much agree. They may well not be the most basic tenets of society but freedom of expression is very important. On a pedantic note, I cant see how (realistically) you can take away someone’s freedom of thought until mind-reading becomes commonplace.<\/p>\n

We went to a must see movie this weekend. In Ben Stein\u2019s (\u201cFerris Bueller’s Day Off.\u201d) new documentary movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed Ben shows how little academic freedom exists in our universities if you want to discuss unpopular topics like the origins of life. (links removed here but intact on the original)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Ouch. And he had got off to such a good start. Notice how this brings in the Creationist stand-by of creating the false associations with “academic freedom” and “unpopular topics”? Creationism \/ ID relies on trickery to convince the unthinking that it is a legitimate “alternative” and some secret cabal are trying to repress it. The “freedom” word is thrown around whenever someone tries to point out is not science to the extent that the average non-scientist actually thinks it is an oppressed viewpoint. Amazing really.<\/p>\n

Much of the academic world thinks that the conversation should be closed because Darwinian Evolution has answered all of those questions\u2026 But, is that true????<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Another creationist gem. This is a great question because it is massively false. No scientist, especially evolutionary biologists, think the conversation should be closed. That is the claim made by the creationists. However, this 180 degree spin goes a long way to masking that.<\/p>\n

If you do not think that is true as a professor, get ready to loose you job. Yes, that politically incorrect thought has been banned in the university\u2026 I thought the university was a place of open discussion and thought???? Think again\u2026<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

And here is the first falsehood. No professor who thinks the question about origins of species is not closed would lose their job. A professor who is so confused about their subject area as to think Creationism is an “alternative” to evolution should lose their job in the same manner that a physics professor who thinks the luminiferous ether exists, and propagates light, should lose their job. Imagine a woodwork teacher who thought you could cut would with butter, should he remain teaching? No. But not because “politically incorrect thought has been banned.”<\/p>\n

Further on, as part of a short debate, the photographer comments:<\/p>\n

You are exactly what the movie was talking about… you just to creationism the moment that intelligent design is brought up…
\nand you assume that all tenants of darwinian evolution are true..
\nand you think they are well defined….
\nDarwinian evolition is a mess… It is not science in the least…<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

More weirdness. Creationism is ID. No one assumes all the tenets of “Darwinian Evolution” are true, no one even assumes all the “tenets” of Evolution are true. That is not what science is about. The odd bit is the claim that Evolution is not science… I really struggle to get my head round the idea that people can honestly think Creationism<\/span> Intelligent Design is “good science” compared to evolution. Where is the falsifiability? Where are the predictions?<\/p>\n

After a while others join in the debate with things like this<\/a> (from an otherwise reasonable person):<\/p>\n

All that said, Wayne I completely agree that the way the discussion is silenced in academia is shameful. When scientist trot out the “earth is flat” idea they forget that at one time “scientiist” accepted that idea too. In other words, the commonly accepted “facts” might be wrong.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Argh. Do people honestly think that the academic world should engage in constant debate over all possible alternatives to a scientific theory? When did scientists EVER think the world was flat?<\/p>\n

The last point I want to make before I remind everyone to go and look at the picture themselves is based on this:<\/p>\n

We know from the second law of thermodynamics (entropy) www.entropylaw.com\/<\/a> stuff always breaks down and degrades…. macro evoution requires more information to be added to produce more complex things…. second law of thermodynamics directly contratics that…. btw.. this is a law… meaning it always happen… not a theory like evolution…<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Ouch. That good old standby the 2nd law. Obviously the Earth lives in isolation from the rest of the universe and no information (energy) can be added. Damn that Sun…<\/p>\n

The best bit is the Law \/ Theory nonsense. Do people really not understand how the words work? Obviously not, because when challenged on the matter, our creationist photographer responded:<\/p>\n

With all due respect, you are wrong about scientific law and theory.
\nYou can read here
science.kennesaw.edu\/~rmatson\/3380theory.html<\/a> and a million other places…<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Argh. Such madness, especially as the link doesn’t really support his claim but I will leave it as an exercise to the reader to try an educate him.<\/p>\n

Please, take a moment to visit the Flickr photo page. It is a nice picture and the more sensible, reasonable and educational comments he get, the greater the chance he (or others) will learn something. If the nonsense is ignored, then the nonsense prospers.<\/p>\n

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