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Comments on: Let there be no light http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2009/06/16/let-there-be-no-light/ Challenging the Zeitgeist Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:14:47 +0000 hourly 1 By: nullifidian http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2009/06/16/let-there-be-no-light/comment-page-1/#comment-21012 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:30:08 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=2599#comment-21012 James, you’re absolutely right. I should have said work done not as a scalar, not the other way around, and I was thinking of power (hence the watts). And I took physics at Heriot-Watt too…

I think that’s what comes of not sleeping for three days… time to take a couple of diazepam I think…

Feel free to wake me up when these eejits are laughed out of court.

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By: ChimaeraLaurie http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2009/06/16/let-there-be-no-light/comment-page-1/#comment-21009 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:54:38 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=2599#comment-21009 My husband really wants a flying car, but I think that he was promised that by The Jetsons, not Leviticus.

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By: Tommykey http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2009/06/16/let-there-be-no-light/comment-page-1/#comment-21008 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:53:14 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=2599#comment-21008 I’ve said it before, and I will say it again, Orthodox Judaism is a mental disorder.

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By: James http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2009/06/16/let-there-be-no-light/comment-page-1/#comment-21004 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:19:16 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=2599#comment-21004 nullifidian, I think you may be getting work confused with a watt. One watt is a joule per second (1W = 1 J/s). However, this W doesn’t stand for work.

Work (done) is a scalar quantity, not a vector, and has the units of joules (the SI unit of energy). An example of this would be a constant force acting over a distance d. Work done = force x distance, and hence has units of N m, or kg m^2 s^-2, which is by definition the same as the unit of the joule.

Going back to an older telegraph article from 2006, what happens if they’re using non-kosher electricity in Dorset? . Are they objecting on the same grounds, or is it the act of switching the light on that they object to?

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By: nullifidian http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2009/06/16/let-there-be-no-light/comment-page-1/#comment-21003 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:16:56 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=2599#comment-21003 Work isn’t defined as a measure of energy, it’s a measure of energy over time (1W = 1J/s). If they choose not to consider “work” as a vector, then they could feasibly go out and come back to the same location (e.g. their favourite chair) without any “work” being done. 😉

But they’re batshit insane, so who knows what “reason” they’d actually have. I suspect it’s something along the lines of “my god says making fires is Teh Evulâ„¢” but I’m happy to be proven wrong.

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By: TW http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2009/06/16/let-there-be-no-light/comment-page-1/#comment-21001 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:42:52 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=2599#comment-21001 Another possibility is the (ageing) use of “work” as a measure of energy – they may be objecting to the “work” involved in powering up the circuit 🙂

Still, its all an alien mindset to me so it could be anything…

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By: Cat's Staff http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2009/06/16/let-there-be-no-light/comment-page-1/#comment-21000 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:20:34 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=2599#comment-21000 I think the orthodox Jewish proscription is against lighting a fire(or spark) on the sabbath. That is why they can’t turn on lights(because there is a spark that occurs when the switch is flipped). They may be trying to argue that motion sensors are turning on the lights when they are in the hall, but they are the ones causing it…so therefore they are being made to turn on lights against their will. I don’t mind people working things out amongst themselves to accommodate stuff like this, as long as the state doesn’t get involved in enforcing their beliefs. Maybe the landlord could replace the lights with LED bulbs which they could argue (still might be unsuccessful) that they are not lighting with a fire like incandescent bulbs or a spark like fluorescent bulbs. The sensor doesn’t cause a spark, it does starts and stops the flow of electrons. Some interpretation might be that any light is like a fire, then nothing will accommodate them.

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By: nullifidian http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2009/06/16/let-there-be-no-light/comment-page-1/#comment-20998 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:44:51 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=2599#comment-20998 I can think of dozens of words to describe this pair. “Sane”, or any of it’s synonyms, isn’t among them.

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By: Heather http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2009/06/16/let-there-be-no-light/comment-page-1/#comment-20996 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:51:54 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=2599#comment-20996 T_W
Yes. The whole story is a baffler. It’s got to be one of the silliest religious compensation claims… well, since the last one I’ve read about.

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By: TW http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2009/06/16/let-there-be-no-light/comment-page-1/#comment-20995 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:49:24 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=2599#comment-20995 In fact why do they want to leave their flat in the dark anyway? Shouldn’t they be staying in and resting?

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