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Comments on: Defining honour http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/06/01/defining-honour/ Challenging the Zeitgeist Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:26:11 +0000 hourly 1 By: Joanne http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/06/01/defining-honour/comment-page-1/#comment-12897 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:26:11 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=1580#comment-12897 No, it wouldn’t be. No ‘honour’ killings are technically permissable under Islamic law, as even though there is a death penalty for infidelity by married people, there are conditions around this and extrajudicial murder is not accepted. The relationship (if any) between religion and HK is indirect.

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By: Tommykey http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/06/01/defining-honour/comment-page-1/#comment-12896 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:01:22 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=1580#comment-12896 What I would like to know, and I’ve done a post on it on my blog, is whether Rand’s murder was permissible under Islamic law, since she had done nothing more than talk to the soldier.

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By: Joanne http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/06/01/defining-honour/comment-page-1/#comment-12895 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:17:46 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=1580#comment-12895

Somebody get a dictionary for the Iraqi police and Abdel-Qader Ali, please. Or for me. Because if this is “what honour is”, then my understanding of the word is deeply flawed.

The thing is, they wouldn’t have talked of ‘honour’, but of ‘sharaf’ which does not have the same meaning, but one of control over the sexual behaviour of female relatives. ‘Honour’ as a translation is an awkward fit with these sentiments, but we seem to be stuck with it: but it does inidicate the prestige and status accorded to a man who is firmly in control of ‘his’ women. Otherwise, a great analysis, and thanks for the link.

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By: Dana Dee McCormick » I luv teh internets. http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/06/01/defining-honour/comment-page-1/#comment-12887 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:52:28 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=1580#comment-12887 […] learned of another disgustingly horrid “honor” killing of an Iraqi girl. When people ask why I care so much about religion I will point them to this […]

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By: David Iain Craig http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/06/01/defining-honour/comment-page-1/#comment-12873 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:46:24 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=1580#comment-12873 When I read yesterday of the murder of the mother Leila Hussein I moved from rage to tears. I know it is the tip of an iceberg but I am shocked today to see how little response there is in the British press. I would like to float the idea of millions of people worldwide wearing teeshirts with her face on to give her courage recognition and show that part of the Muslim world what we think of their knuckle dragging barbarism. Hopefully intelligent and sensitive Muslims would be courageous enough to start to wear them to disassociate themselves from the apologists for such barbarism. Anyone interested ?

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By: Tommykey http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/06/01/defining-honour/comment-page-1/#comment-12869 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:00:40 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=1580#comment-12869 Hi Heather,

I have done a number of posts on my blog about this ever since I first read of Rand Abdel-Qader’s murder at the hands (and feet) of her father.

I think that those of us who care about this issue and are outraged about what happen need to mount a campaign to have the father brought to justice. The sons too, as they are both adults and participated in the murder of their sister.

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By: TW http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/06/01/defining-honour/comment-page-1/#comment-12865 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:48:32 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/?p=1580#comment-12865 Before westerners look down on this as an “arab” only mindset, in the 1970s and 1980s a similar type of event happened in Northern Ireland (although a massive difference is that the people weren’t killed by their families). Inter faith relationships often carried at least a major beating if not the death penalty and relationships with Soldiers was often fatal.

Isnt religion a wonderful basis for a caring society.

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