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	<title>Comments on: Traffic safety or surveillance?</title>
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	<description>Challenging the Zeitgeist</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bill P.</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/05/05/traffic-safety-or-surveillance/#comment-12921</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This does not surprise me. Since these security cameras are getting smaller and cheaper, we will see more and more of these cameras deployed. Just check out www.acquireonline.org and you can see how sophisticated these surveaillance cameras have gotten. The states will be like the UK sooner than later....... :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This does not surprise me. Since these security cameras are getting smaller and cheaper, we will see more and more of these cameras deployed. Just check out <a href="http://www.acquireonline.org">http://www.acquireonline.org</a> and you can see how sophisticated these surveaillance cameras have gotten. The states will be like the UK sooner than later&#8230;&#8230;. <img src='http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Cameras and Security &#187; Why Dont You Blog?</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/05/05/traffic-safety-or-surveillance/#comment-12681</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameras and Security &#187; Why Dont You Blog?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] comment on a recent post, by someone apparently called Video Surveillance, got me thinking about some common misconceptions. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] comment on a recent post, by someone apparently called Video Surveillance, got me thinking about some common misconceptions. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/05/05/traffic-safety-or-surveillance/#comment-12679</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi video, if I can call you that

Your comment got through our spam filter somehow,  so we decided to leave it because of its almost majestic inapproriateness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi video, if I can call you that</p>
<p>Your comment got through our spam filter somehow,  so we decided to leave it because of its almost majestic inapproriateness.</p>
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		<title>By: video surveillance</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/05/05/traffic-safety-or-surveillance/#comment-12663</link>
		<dc:creator>video surveillance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 21:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I like your blog and thought I would submit a post since, my business and blog is in the video surveillance and pos field so it pertains to yours at least somewhat.  I just wrote an article on Video Surveillance called Video Surveillance Preparation.  Here is an excerpt:

With crime on the rise many people and business are looking for added security.  Video surveillance is one the top ways to improve the security of your belongings and loved ones.  I get asked alot about what is good or recommended and although each situation is different there are some common things to consider when showing a video surveillance system that will bring the required results.

     You have two basic kinds of video surveillance cameras, there are...

You can read the rest here http://www dot hivelocitynetworks dot com/blog (URL Munged)

Feel free to post and let me know what you think.  Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I like your blog and thought I would submit a post since, my business and blog is in the video surveillance and pos field so it pertains to yours at least somewhat.  I just wrote an article on Video Surveillance called Video Surveillance Preparation.  Here is an excerpt:</p>
<p>With crime on the rise many people and business are looking for added security.  Video surveillance is one the top ways to improve the security of your belongings and loved ones.  I get asked alot about what is good or recommended and although each situation is different there are some common things to consider when showing a video surveillance system that will bring the required results.</p>
<p>     You have two basic kinds of video surveillance cameras, there are&#8230;</p>
<p>You can read the rest here <a href="http://www">http://www</a> dot hivelocitynetworks dot com/blog (URL Munged)</p>
<p>Feel free to post and let me know what you think.  Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: TW</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/05/05/traffic-safety-or-surveillance/#comment-12591</link>
		<dc:creator>TW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;RIPA can justify anything……..&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, sort of. &#60;slight pedantry&#62;RIPA is a regulatory framework so it is really a case of people justifying their actions in accordance with RIPA&#60;/slight pedantry&#62;. 

A RIPA authorisation to conduct surveillance is normally quite tightly worded - it has to specify a purpose of the investigation for example. I would love to see what the criteria for using traffic cameras to detect non-traffic crimes was.

As to the "think of the children" issue - it really is ludicrous to suggest it would have "offended" people or corrupted children. What century are we living in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>RIPA can justify anything……..</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, sort of. &lt;slight pedantry&gt;RIPA is a regulatory framework so it is really a case of people justifying their actions in accordance with RIPA&lt;/slight pedantry&gt;. </p>
<p>A RIPA authorisation to conduct surveillance is normally quite tightly worded - it has to specify a purpose of the investigation for example. I would love to see what the criteria for using traffic cameras to detect non-traffic crimes was.</p>
<p>As to the &#8220;think of the children&#8221; issue - it really is ludicrous to suggest it would have &#8220;offended&#8221; people or corrupted children. What century are we living in?</p>
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		<title>By: Alun</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/05/05/traffic-safety-or-surveillance/#comment-12584</link>
		<dc:creator>Alun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 21:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There could be an element of entrapment here. Would the gentleman have bared his buttocks if there were no camera there? It's Cramlington, so we can't be certain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There could be an element of entrapment here. Would the gentleman have bared his buttocks if there were no camera there? It&#8217;s Cramlington, so we can&#8217;t be certain.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/05/05/traffic-safety-or-surveillance/#comment-12583</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 21:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RIPA can justify anything........

The funniest thing about this is that the picture is only in the public domain because an officer obviously gave it to the BBC and the BBC put it on their site.

So the person whose moon should have gone unnoticed by anything except a non-sentient camera (that wasn't even supposed to be triggered, if the car wasn't speeding) ends up mooning on the internet, and the BBC shows it with some hypocritical concern about the effect on kids. As if anyone would have seen it without the BBC and the employee who sent it to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIPA can justify anything&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>The funniest thing about this is that the picture is only in the public domain because an officer obviously gave it to the BBC and the BBC put it on their site.</p>
<p>So the person whose moon should have gone unnoticed by anything except a non-sentient camera (that wasn&#8217;t even supposed to be triggered, if the car wasn&#8217;t speeding) ends up mooning on the internet, and the BBC shows it with some hypocritical concern about the effect on kids. As if anyone would have seen it without the BBC and the employee who sent it to them.</p>
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		<title>By: TW</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/05/05/traffic-safety-or-surveillance/#comment-12581</link>
		<dc:creator>TW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 19:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The concern I have about speed cameras taking "intermittent shots" or what ever it is they are doing to have got this picture, is the sheer dishonesty about the whole system.

Speed cameras were brought in on legislation which enabled them to take photographs of people who had broken the law. Although it was suspected at the time, it was strenuously denied that these cameras would be used to look for other crimes.

This strikes me a perfect example of the camera being used in a non-regulatory way to find other crimes.

I wonder what the RIPA justification was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concern I have about speed cameras taking &#8220;intermittent shots&#8221; or what ever it is they are doing to have got this picture, is the sheer dishonesty about the whole system.</p>
<p>Speed cameras were brought in on legislation which enabled them to take photographs of people who had broken the law. Although it was suspected at the time, it was strenuously denied that these cameras would be used to look for other crimes.</p>
<p>This strikes me a perfect example of the camera being used in a non-regulatory way to find other crimes.</p>
<p>I wonder what the RIPA justification was.</p>
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		<title>By: Curly</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/05/05/traffic-safety-or-surveillance/#comment-12577</link>
		<dc:creator>Curly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 09:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://curly15.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/cctv-isnt-working/" rel="nofollow"&gt;CCTV&lt;/a&gt;, the panacea to all of our modern ailments......NOT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://curly15.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/cctv-isnt-working/">CCTV</a>, the panacea to all of our modern ailments&#8230;&#8230;NOT!</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Goas</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2008/05/05/traffic-safety-or-surveillance/#comment-12573</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Goas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 01:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have those cameras all over the place in the states. If we build cameras, we don't have to pay as many cops to be on the streets. It's a pretty simple concept. I wonder why that camera snapped that photo on the BBC if the vehicle wasn't speeding... Maybe it just takes intermittent photos that are otherwise deleted unless someone flags them beforehand?

It is a big deal, though? Cell phones and RFID tags (such as ones in car keys, credit cards, cars) are essentially GPS devices, that can be an invasion of privacy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have those cameras all over the place in the states. If we build cameras, we don&#8217;t have to pay as many cops to be on the streets. It&#8217;s a pretty simple concept. I wonder why that camera snapped that photo on the BBC if the vehicle wasn&#8217;t speeding&#8230; Maybe it just takes intermittent photos that are otherwise deleted unless someone flags them beforehand?</p>
<p>It is a big deal, though? Cell phones and RFID tags (such as ones in car keys, credit cards, cars) are essentially GPS devices, that can be an invasion of privacy&#8230;</p>
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