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Comments on: Ethical Torture http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/29/ethical-torture/ Challenging the Zeitgeist Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:24:14 +0000 hourly 1 By: Pito http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/29/ethical-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-9624 Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:24:14 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/29/ethical-torture/#comment-9624 good post

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By: abbey http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/29/ethical-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-9622 Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:20:12 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/29/ethical-torture/#comment-9622 There is no such thing as ‘ethical torture’ what an oxymoron…. The only reason the Americans are still debating the worn out subject of waterboarding…is that they got caught out for what they are…and again they have breach international law, as they did with the illegal invasion of Iraq…what does it take to impeach the man…

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By: TW http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/29/ethical-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-9618 Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:37:08 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/29/ethical-torture/#comment-9618 Sorry Alun – for some reason the spam filter here is being unduly harsh over comments with links. Your post carried the following link which I had to remove, hopefully it will show OK here:

There’s also a philosophical problem moving from is to ought.

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By: Alun http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/29/ethical-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-9617 Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:52:53 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/29/ethical-torture/#comment-9617 It’s a similar argument to a scenario in Sam Harris’s End of Faith. It requires perfect knowledge that you have the right person, the right method, the opportunity to act on the information and that you’ll recognise the correct answers when you hear them. That last bit in particular negates the need for torture. [BIT REMOVED BY TW SEE NEXT COMMENT]

If you want a more nightmarish problem, Julian Baggini’s take on the Ticking Bomb is that the terrorist will not break in time if he is tortured, but that intelligence indicates he will break if his wholly innocent son is tortured in front of him. You have someone bellowing in your ear that thousands of people will die if you don’t take action. Unrealistic yes, but so often thought experiments are. It’s a lot easier to pretend torture is ethical if you think the victim deserves it. Baggini’s experiment gets the nub of a results-based justification. I’d like to think I wouldn’t crack and authorise the torture, but I have a worrying feeling that Stanley Milgram could prove me wrong.

It wouldn’t show that torture is ethical, simply that people can be manipulated through fear.

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By: Heather http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/29/ethical-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-9616 Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:47:44 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/29/ethical-torture/#comment-9616 Excellent post.

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By: TW http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/29/ethical-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-9615 Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:56:37 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/29/ethical-torture/#comment-9615 Sorry for commenting on my own post, but I doubt any one else will comment. One of the best responses I found on Pharyngula’s thread is this one by craig:

How long you live is not as important as how you live.

A life prolonged by the use of torture is a lesser life than one shortened by an act of terrorism.

Deciding that torture is ethical based on how positive the end result is for you is similar to deciding that stealing is ethical based on how big your haul of loot was.

Well said.

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