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Comments on: Rageworthy story http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/17/rageworthy-story/ Challenging the Zeitgeist Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:53:21 +0000 hourly 1 By: salient http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/17/rageworthy-story/comment-page-1/#comment-9546 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:53:21 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/17/rageworthy-story/#comment-9546 Unfortunately, child abuse produces mothers who are unable to protect their daughters — and on and on it goes down the generations. You are quite correct that many men probably need therapy, but men, in my experience, don’t benefit much from therapy.

I think that Western men have improved since women’s liberation. Perhaps men fear ’emasculation’ by a woman whom they perceive as weak more than by a woman whom they perceive as strong. Perhaps they behave more respectfully to someone who respects herself.

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By: Heather http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/17/rageworthy-story/comment-page-1/#comment-9543 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:57:46 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/17/rageworthy-story/#comment-9543 Salient
Very wise comment. Thank you.
The horror is that so many women are complicit in their own subjection, though, and are happy to subject their own daughters to it.
And I suspect that that percentage of the world’s men that engage in this woman-fearing shit, under cover of religion, are probably even more in need of therapy, at the very least.

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By: salient http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/17/rageworthy-story/comment-page-1/#comment-9533 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:50:51 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/12/17/rageworthy-story/#comment-9533 Hi Heather

That’s good ole Shariah law and Wahibbism for you!

I think that the good news, aside from the good news for her personally, is that international pressure had an impact.

I also think that if it were not for the international outcry, Gillian Gibbons might have received the stiffest sentence allowed.

The difficulty for Muslim women is much the same as the problem for victims of childhood abuse in the West — the oppressive, critical-of-self messages create an almost permanent damage to self-esteem that traps these women in an I-deserve-the-abuse mentality. Westerners seem not to understand this when they open the metaphoric cage door and Muslim women, unlike Ayaan Hirsi Ali, do not rush out to enjoy their freedom. It’s tragic that half the world’s women need therapy that they will never receive.

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