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	<title>Comments on: More on my annoyance with the Blogroll</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/11/25/more-on-my-annoyance-with-the-blogroll/#comment-9332</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot for your help.

Sorry to keep going on about this, but we've tried a lot of solutions. We haven't yet gone so far as to call the blog 11111111111aaaaaaaaWhyDontYou but that may be next :-)

We have an automatic ping set up. Plus we have started manually pinging the blogroll after we post (when we remember.) If the ping works (never at a weekend) it's usually so long after the post that we end up appearing halfway down the blogroll, as seen in date order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot for your help.</p>
<p>Sorry to keep going on about this, but we&#8217;ve tried a lot of solutions. We haven&#8217;t yet gone so far as to call the blog 11111111111aaaaaaaaWhyDontYou but that may be next <img src='http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
We have an automatic ping set up. Plus we have started manually pinging the blogroll after we post (when we remember.) If the ping works (never at a weekend) it&#8217;s usually so long after the post that we end up appearing halfway down the blogroll, as seen in date order.</p>
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		<title>By: Strappado</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/11/25/more-on-my-annoyance-with-the-blogroll/#comment-9331</link>
		<dc:creator>Strappado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alll right, then there's only one thing to do. (Which I did right now)

I have one html slot for a rolling (i.e. "shortlisted") version with only the updated ones.

Then, I used one html slot below for a static version with the whole list, similar to how people have posted the links in posts.  

This won't fix the **New thing, but it will hopefully work better with Technorati.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alll right, then there&#8217;s only one thing to do. (Which I did right now)</p>
<p>I have one html slot for a rolling (i.e. &#8220;shortlisted&#8221;) version with only the updated ones.</p>
<p>Then, I used one html slot below for a static version with the whole list, similar to how people have posted the links in posts.  </p>
<p>This won&#8217;t fix the **New thing, but it will hopefully work better with Technorati.</p>
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		<title>By: TW</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/11/25/more-on-my-annoyance-with-the-blogroll/#comment-9325</link>
		<dc:creator>TW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We've tried that. Lots. Part of my complaints are based on the fact it doesn't work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve tried that. Lots. Part of my complaints are based on the fact it doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Strappado</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/11/25/more-on-my-annoyance-with-the-blogroll/#comment-9314</link>
		<dc:creator>Strappado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/11/25/more-on-my-annoyance-with-the-blogroll/#comment-9314</guid>
		<description>About this **New thing, all you have to do is to sign up at blogrolling.com and ping it manually. It's a bit tedious, but it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About this **New thing, all you have to do is to sign up at blogrolling.com and ping it manually. It&#8217;s a bit tedious, but it works.</p>
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		<title>By: salient</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/11/25/more-on-my-annoyance-with-the-blogroll/#comment-9168</link>
		<dc:creator>salient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your blog shifts position? The list is alphabetical! How very odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your blog shifts position? The list is alphabetical! How very odd.</p>
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		<title>By: TW</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/11/25/more-on-my-annoyance-with-the-blogroll/#comment-9156</link>
		<dc:creator>TW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isnt just traffic from the Al-Kaffir Akbar lunatic, when the blog roll finally bothers itself to include our blog, we are often immediately below his blog.

I will see if it happens next time we post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isnt just traffic from the Al-Kaffir Akbar lunatic, when the blog roll finally bothers itself to include our blog, we are often immediately below his blog.</p>
<p>I will see if it happens next time we post.</p>
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		<title>By: salient</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/11/25/more-on-my-annoyance-with-the-blogroll/#comment-9153</link>
		<dc:creator>salient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that I finally understand what you are both saying. It all makes me rather glad that I am so tech-iliterate because I think that I'd be even more frustrated if I were tech-competent!!

Al-Kaffir Akbar? Isn' that the AGW-denialist blog? Good grief. 

IIRC you had commented on his denialism -- perhaps that explains the traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that I finally understand what you are both saying. It all makes me rather glad that I am so tech-iliterate because I think that I&#8217;d be even more frustrated if I were tech-competent!!</p>
<p>Al-Kaffir Akbar? Isn&#8217; that the AGW-denialist blog? Good grief. </p>
<p>IIRC you had commented on his denialism &#8212; perhaps that explains the traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/11/25/more-on-my-annoyance-with-the-blogroll/#comment-9151</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salient

Sorry to add even more words to this but. ...  

We are all looking at different bits of Technorati and a different versions of the blogroll. This is confusing.

My point about Technorati is that it doesn't count some  links within posts. ( E.g. It shows mana's in-text reference to this blog now. It doesn't show yours)

I looked at your technorati information and found they hadn't given you a "link" for the posts to you that were inside the main content of this blog. They didn't acknowledge your last half dozen posts.

I pinged technorati with your blog name.  It did indeed update your list of posts and your links list  after that.  It showed the link from us in your list of links.

But it didn't show your in-post link to us in our Authority bit. here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salient</p>
<p>Sorry to add even more words to this but. &#8230;  </p>
<p>We are all looking at different bits of Technorati and a different versions of the blogroll. This is confusing.</p>
<p>My point about Technorati is that it doesn&#8217;t count some  links within posts. ( E.g. It shows mana&#8217;s in-text reference to this blog now. It doesn&#8217;t show yours)</p>
<p>I looked at your technorati information and found they hadn&#8217;t given you a &#8220;link&#8221; for the posts to you that were inside the main content of this blog. They didn&#8217;t acknowledge your last half dozen posts.</p>
<p>I pinged technorati with your blog name.  It did indeed update your list of posts and your links list  after that.  It showed the link from us in your list of links.</p>
<p>But it didn&#8217;t show your in-post link to us in our Authority bit. here.</p>
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		<title>By: TW</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/11/25/more-on-my-annoyance-with-the-blogroll/#comment-9149</link>
		<dc:creator>TW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it would be a nightmare for Mojoey to have to move the blogroll to a new service provider but it doesn't stop me wishing there was a working alternative.

When I said about people leaving the site, I never meant it was a bad thing as such - I don't for one second expect people to spend their lives here! As I understood it, the original intentions of the blogroll were that it had a reciprocal result. For example, people would read this blog, then look at the blog roll and go elsewhere but at the same time, people would read your blog then look at the blogroll and come here. This is the bit which is broken (from our perspective) and that is what is annoying.

I have to admit, however, we are back on the blogroll again now! :-) It seems our complaints were heard by the God of Blogrolling and action was taken... :-)

Another odd thing - this is something heather picked up ages ago - when we have a hard time getting posts on the blog roll and they eventually come through, it is always after the nutter blog Al-Kaffir Akbar... Weird...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it would be a nightmare for Mojoey to have to move the blogroll to a new service provider but it doesn&#8217;t stop me wishing there was a working alternative.</p>
<p>When I said about people leaving the site, I never meant it was a bad thing as such - I don&#8217;t for one second expect people to spend their lives here! As I understood it, the original intentions of the blogroll were that it had a reciprocal result. For example, people would read this blog, then look at the blog roll and go elsewhere but at the same time, people would read your blog then look at the blogroll and come here. This is the bit which is broken (from our perspective) and that is what is annoying.</p>
<p>I have to admit, however, we are back on the blogroll again now! <img src='http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> It seems our complaints were heard by the God of Blogrolling and action was taken&#8230; <img src='http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Another odd thing - this is something heather picked up ages ago - when we have a hard time getting posts on the blog roll and they eventually come through, it is always after the nutter blog Al-Kaffir Akbar&#8230; Weird&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: salient</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/11/25/more-on-my-annoyance-with-the-blogroll/#comment-9148</link>
		<dc:creator>salient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, now I see what you were saying about the New**. Yes, that does sound like a Blogrolling.com glitch. I assume that Mojoey had chosen the option that offered to indicate when new posts were added to a site. It would be a huge job for him to move the blogroll to a different server, though.

On the subject of Technorati, as I understand it, they stopped ranking blogrolls per se. This means that even if WDY had honorable mention in blogrolls on 1,000 sites, Technorati still would not give you 'authority' unless your site was linked within a *post*. This is why a few of us have been recommending putting the blogroll *within* a post. (It's also why I won't link directly to creationist sites.) 

I think that Mojoey's idea of a blogroll was great, but, as you say, it can lead to readers leaving your site. I guess that they would do so anyway, if they had not found what they were looking for -- it's just that you give them somewhere to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, now I see what you were saying about the New**. Yes, that does sound like a Blogrolling.com glitch. I assume that Mojoey had chosen the option that offered to indicate when new posts were added to a site. It would be a huge job for him to move the blogroll to a different server, though.</p>
<p>On the subject of Technorati, as I understand it, they stopped ranking blogrolls per se. This means that even if WDY had honorable mention in blogrolls on 1,000 sites, Technorati still would not give you &#8216;authority&#8217; unless your site was linked within a *post*. This is why a few of us have been recommending putting the blogroll *within* a post. (It&#8217;s also why I won&#8217;t link directly to creationist sites.) </p>
<p>I think that Mojoey&#8217;s idea of a blogroll was great, but, as you say, it can lead to readers leaving your site. I guess that they would do so anyway, if they had not found what they were looking for &#8212; it&#8217;s just that you give them somewhere to go.</p>
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		<title>By: The Not-So-Solid Science of Technorati &#124; Skepticum</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/11/25/more-on-my-annoyance-with-the-blogroll/#comment-9144</link>
		<dc:creator>The Not-So-Solid Science of Technorati &#124; Skepticum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Why Don&#8217;t You Blog have been carrying a very interesting discussion on blogging tools such as Technorati and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and Why Don&#8217;t You Blog have been carrying a very interesting discussion on blogging tools such as Technorati and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mana</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/11/25/more-on-my-annoyance-with-the-blogroll/#comment-9139</link>
		<dc:creator>Mana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TW, you're right to make the clarifications. I should have also clarified that my commentary was strictly related to the 2 mentioned blogging tools's services themselves, not the blogs using them, or the Atheist blogroll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TW, you&#8217;re right to make the clarifications. I should have also clarified that my commentary was strictly related to the 2 mentioned blogging tools&#8217;s services themselves, not the blogs using them, or the Atheist blogroll.</p>
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