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		<title>By: Challenge Religion - Today&#8217;s Top Blog Posts on Atheism - Powered by SocialRank</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/09/09/commenting-on-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-8575</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TW</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/09/09/commenting-on-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-8419</link>
		<dc:creator>TW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never meant to &quot;gloss over&quot; the last two points CC made and, in a different context, they may well be considered not-drivel. In this context, though, they were irrelevant and to save space I summarised them as drivel, which I still think they are. For example:
&lt;blockquote&gt;2. Although we as humans have made fantastic progress is medicine, we are still only tinkering. Until we can CREATE life from the basic elements I remain unconvinced that we can ever do it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
On its own, this is perfectly fine. I too am unconvinced that &quot;we&quot; can ever ever create life from the basic elements. However this is not a weak argument for or against atheism. It is irrelevant to the debate - there are many things humans can not do, none of which point towards the existence of a creator.

Statements like this - out of context &quot;truisms&quot; - are largely (IMHO) drivel.

&lt;blockquote&gt;3. The human state of consciousness, how a body gets life in it cannot be reproduced by humans ‘artificially’.
I feel that if I say I am an atheist then I it would be naive&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Again, point 3 carries as massive &quot;so what.&quot; It doesn&#039;t lead to the conclusion stated and adds nothing to the debate. The fact humans are unable to create artificial conciousness is another irrelevant &quot;truism.&quot;

Also, as an aside, I am not a big fan of Dawkins&#039; scale of atheism. People believe something or they dont, at best the scale describes someone&#039;s relationship with a particular deity. Every atheist I know accepts that if sufficient evidence is produced then they will accept what ever deity is being proven exists, anything else ventures into the realm of religious belief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never meant to &#8220;gloss over&#8221; the last two points CC made and, in a different context, they may well be considered not-drivel. In this context, though, they were irrelevant and to save space I summarised them as drivel, which I still think they are. For example:</p>
<blockquote><p>2. Although we as humans have made fantastic progress is medicine, we are still only tinkering. Until we can CREATE life from the basic elements I remain unconvinced that we can ever do it.</p></blockquote>
<p>On its own, this is perfectly fine. I too am unconvinced that &#8220;we&#8221; can ever ever create life from the basic elements. However this is not a weak argument for or against atheism. It is irrelevant to the debate &#8211; there are many things humans can not do, none of which point towards the existence of a creator.</p>
<p>Statements like this &#8211; out of context &#8220;truisms&#8221; &#8211; are largely (IMHO) drivel.</p>
<blockquote><p>3. The human state of consciousness, how a body gets life in it cannot be reproduced by humans ‘artificially’.<br />
I feel that if I say I am an atheist then I it would be naive</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, point 3 carries as massive &#8220;so what.&#8221; It doesn&#8217;t lead to the conclusion stated and adds nothing to the debate. The fact humans are unable to create artificial conciousness is another irrelevant &#8220;truism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, as an aside, I am not a big fan of Dawkins&#8217; scale of atheism. People believe something or they dont, at best the scale describes someone&#8217;s relationship with a particular deity. Every atheist I know accepts that if sufficient evidence is produced then they will accept what ever deity is being proven exists, anything else ventures into the realm of religious belief.</p>
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		<title>By: potentilla</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/09/09/commenting-on-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-8418</link>
		<dc:creator>potentilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem for some of the more sane ones is that they haven&#039;t read the bit in TGD where Dawkins sets up a scale of 1 (unshakeably convinced believer) to 7 (unshakeably convinced unbeliever) and says he&#039;s a 6.  In other words, he&#039;s not an atheist at all by the definition some of them (Chie, for instance) are using.  As a scientist, he couldn&#039;t be.

The two points you gloss over that are made by the engineer from Cardiff are actually perfectly reasonable, and not dribble at all.  Abiogenesis and &quot;the hard problem&quot; (consciousness) are, as yet, not explained by science, which is a perfectly good reason not to be a &quot;7&quot;, although one might still reasonably be a 6 or a 6 point something, as I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem for some of the more sane ones is that they haven&#8217;t read the bit in TGD where Dawkins sets up a scale of 1 (unshakeably convinced believer) to 7 (unshakeably convinced unbeliever) and says he&#8217;s a 6.  In other words, he&#8217;s not an atheist at all by the definition some of them (Chie, for instance) are using.  As a scientist, he couldn&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>The two points you gloss over that are made by the engineer from Cardiff are actually perfectly reasonable, and not dribble at all.  Abiogenesis and &#8220;the hard problem&#8221; (consciousness) are, as yet, not explained by science, which is a perfectly good reason not to be a &#8220;7&#8243;, although one might still reasonably be a 6 or a 6 point something, as I am.</p>
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		<title>By: TW</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/09/09/commenting-on-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-8413</link>
		<dc:creator>TW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter / Mana, Thanks for the comments and the trackback.

I will keep an eye out for similar bouts of theistic madness in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter / Mana, Thanks for the comments and the trackback.</p>
<p>I will keep an eye out for similar bouts of theistic madness in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Commenting on excuses &#187; Why Dont You Blog?</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/09/09/commenting-on-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-8412</link>
		<dc:creator>Commenting on excuses &#187; Why Dont You Blog?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] case commenting on comments isn&#8217;t pleasingly toroidal enough for you, this post is a comment on the BBC&#8217;s comments [...]</description>
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		<title>By: How to Make a Saint</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/09/09/commenting-on-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-8408</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Make a Saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why Don&#8217;t You Blog I came to read a whole string of anti-atheist comments to an excerpt from John Humphrys&#8217; soon [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mana</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/09/09/commenting-on-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-8405</link>
		<dc:creator>Mana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is priceless. It&#039;s an anthology of atheism bashing through inane arguments and hell (or a depressing concept of nothingness) promotion. It truly stood out to me that there are a lot of statements in there that simply promote the concept of hell as if without hell there could be no gd, and if there is a gd there has to be a hell. Which is a very nice way for all the peeps who posted to convince us, the non-believers that they&#039;re hell worshipers. We believe in nothing, they believe in hell. I&#039;d be dammned but this proposition looks better every day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is priceless. It&#8217;s an anthology of atheism bashing through inane arguments and hell (or a depressing concept of nothingness) promotion. It truly stood out to me that there are a lot of statements in there that simply promote the concept of hell as if without hell there could be no gd, and if there is a gd there has to be a hell. Which is a very nice way for all the peeps who posted to convince us, the non-believers that they&#8217;re hell worshipers. We believe in nothing, they believe in hell. I&#8217;d be dammned but this proposition looks better every day!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/09/09/commenting-on-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-8404</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question I find confounds believers is&quot; &#039;Where is he then? Why did he do all his personal appearances and miracles before the appearance TV cameras?&#039;

Answer usually comes there none.  Bluster aplenty.

Good blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question I find confounds believers is&#8221; &#8216;Where is he then? Why did he do all his personal appearances and miracles before the appearance TV cameras?&#8217;</p>
<p>Answer usually comes there none.  Bluster aplenty.</p>
<p>Good blog</p>
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		<title>By: Atheism &#187; Atheism September 9, 2007 6:25 pm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atheism &#187; Atheism September 9, 2007 6:25 pm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Commenting on Comments For the intellectually honest, atheism is also a matter of faith. It is difficult to prove a negative. There is no absolute proof of the non-existence of god(s), though the lack of proof for his/her/their existence is suggestive. &#8230; [...]</description>
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