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Comments on: Papal bull http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/18/papal-bull/ Challenging the Zeitgeist Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:56:41 +0000 hourly 1 By: Heather http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/18/papal-bull/comment-page-1/#comment-7975 Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:56:41 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/18/papal-bull/#comment-7975 Thanks.
I am more than a bit impressed by the level of Latin knowledge here. I am genuinely outclassed.
(Some half remembered bits of the Iliad and how to decline a few regular verbs are about it, except for recognising what a fair number of English and Romance language words mean from the Latin root.)

]]> By: ed bernstine http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/18/papal-bull/comment-page-1/#comment-7974 Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:45:45 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/18/papal-bull/#comment-7974 Caeli is the vocative (plural) of caelus (a masculine noun;”heaven”); caelum (a neuter noun) means the same thing, but caeli would be the genitive singular of that word – makes no sense.

This only completes the details of the correct answers of Alun and Rasputin:

“Drop rain/dew on us, O heavens” more or less.

Ed

]]> By: Heather http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/18/papal-bull/comment-page-1/#comment-7804 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 01:50:14 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/18/papal-bull/#comment-7804 Rasputin It must be working here then. There’s barely been more than a couple of hours that it hasn’t rained for months.
Alun: Yes, very good point.

And mea culpa, I recognised the imperative case bit, but I failed to notice that caeli was subject case.

]]> By: Rasputin http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/18/papal-bull/comment-page-1/#comment-7802 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:33:13 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/18/papal-bull/#comment-7802 Yeah, I’m with Alun on Rorate being the imperative and would suggest that it’s a prayer for rain.

]]> By: Alun http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/18/papal-bull/comment-page-1/#comment-7801 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:26:58 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/18/papal-bull/#comment-7801 I’m almost with the Vatican on this one. It’s ridiculous to repeatedly bring up the wartime role of Pius XII without rest. Surely there’s room to discuss regarding the current Pope’s wartime role too? Yet somehow I get the feeling that’s not the intention.

Rorate, I think, is the imperative of rorare, so Rorate Caeli is a command for the heavens to drop dew or moisten.

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