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Comments on: Disconnected from society http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/08/disconnected-from-society/ Challenging the Zeitgeist Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:30:25 +0000 hourly 1 By: Alun http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/08/disconnected-from-society/comment-page-1/#comment-10235 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:30:25 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/08/disconnected-from-society/#comment-10235 You have to admit if all religious defenders spoke with the eloquence and clarity of Mr Ritchie, the debate would be much simpler.

I’m not convinced that religion does cause morality though. Plato was very clear that the acts of the Gods were scandalous and should be hushed up, yet Greece was the country which invented ethics as a subject to be studied. So why is religion associated with morality? Is the rush to CCTV a modern attempt to rebuild an omniscient god substitute? We talk about the good old days of morality, but maybe there has never been a golden age of morality, just a fear of an all-seeing-eye and poorer reporting of breaches of morals. Religion might not instil morality, but generate a fear of being caught, which is said to be a far greater deterrent to criminal behaviour than things like sentence-length. In that sense religious fear might be better than nothing if moral education isn’t an option.

I think open debate can help formulate ideas. There’s also room for many approaches. It might be possible to improve the system with an act of love. Other people might be thinking more along the lines of ρἁφανιδώθήι, but where would you get a mallet large enough?

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By: TW http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/08/disconnected-from-society/comment-page-1/#comment-10234 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:21:15 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/08/disconnected-from-society/#comment-10234 Mr Ritchie – thank you for your comment.

This is simply untrue, you cant just blame one thing as the reason for a dissconected and simply depressing society.

I didnt realise I had tried to blame one thing for our disconnected and depressing society. I certainly didn’t think I had identified religion as such for this role. I do, however, think education and the ability to express oneself clearly is an important part of interacting with society.

it is a multitude of things such as, media, ok religion to an extent

Well, we can sort of agree on this. But the point I was trying to make was about how a huge segment of the UK’s society seems to feel it is not part of society unless it is told to “pretend” to be part by the MCB. Is this a fault of religion? Possibly, but there are other causes.

but you are forgeting that religion Today is not what it used to be

I don’t forget that in the slightest. Please feel free to read round the other posts here to see my (and heather’s) opinions on this.

Religion, ironically, sells it self as an “unchanging rock” people can cling against however, I agree with you – it has massively evolved over time. Religious values eventually fall into line with societies values. Kind of undermines the point of religion though.

religion gives espesialy young people a grounded set of morals to follow in life, this my friend is a positive thing

Here we disagree my friend. Religion doesn’t give people morals to follow, it just gives people rules to obey or they will face an unspecified punishment. In this it is no different than any set of laws.

More importantly, religion creates the situation where people (especially young people) can justify doing bad things in a good cause. Also, religion per se doesn’t have a consistent set of morals. Each religion has its own ideas of what is moral and what isn’t. Some religions endorse stoning and honour killings. This is not moral behaviour in any way I would recognise it, but it is religious.

. religoin causes fear.

How is that good?

i just dont think you should post a fuking blog .

Why not? Why do you start off being fairly reasonable, polite and friendly then change to this? Are you two people?

if you are consernd about this issue writting a fuking blog isnot going to solv anything.

Who said it would? Equally, why do you think it wont? Are you demanding direct action every time something annoys you? If a news paper publishes an article you dont like, should their offices be firebombed? How do you know what else Heather or I are doing?

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By: Mr Ritchie http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/08/disconnected-from-society/comment-page-1/#comment-10225 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:56:01 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/07/08/disconnected-from-society/#comment-10225 This is simply untrue, you cant just blame one thing as the reason for a dissconected and simply depressing society. it is a multitude of things such as, media, ok religion to an extent ( but you are forgeting that religion Today is not what it used to be, religion gives espesialy young people a grounded set of morals to follow in life, this my friend is a positive thing, dont get me wrong im not a bible basher in the slitest , but in my position it is clear that religion is not the key ofender when it comes tot he attaks on society. media causes self contousness. religoin causes fear. family,school,education is part of the causes.. pverty aswell.. aw well i must go.i just dont think you should post a fuking blog . if you are consernd about this issue writting a fuking blog isnot going to solv anything. Fuck The System.

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