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Comments on: Religion has problems http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/ Challenging the Zeitgeist Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:02:47 +0000 hourly 1 By: Heather http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-6118 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:02:47 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/#comment-6118 That is the definition of painfully funny. wow. fantastic find.

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By: TW http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-6117 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:55:46 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/#comment-6117 however, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYZre8kEsuw

My eyes… the goggles… they do nothing…

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By: TW http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-6116 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:54:59 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/#comment-6116 War crimes!

The video would have been banned by the Hague Convention…

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By: Heather http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-6115 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:53:32 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/#comment-6115 http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2046188,00.html It even has pictures, but sadly no video footage.

It is always a bit cringe-inducing to watch grey-haired men the wrong side of 50 getting it on down on the dance floor. When the person is dressed in black tie and standing in front of hundreds of journalists, it gets embarrassing. And when the man in question is Karl Rove, George Bush’s beleaguered key adviser, and he is being made to dance to a hip-hop beat, that classifies as ritual humiliation.

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By: Heather http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-6113 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:42:48 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/#comment-6113 🙂
This reminds me- todays guardian has beautifully comic bit about bush’s aide doing hip-hop dance. will find it if its in the online version.

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By: nullifidian http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-6112 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:35:48 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/#comment-6112 Damned straight.

(Now I feel I should do some kind of rapper-finger-pointy-thingy-motion…)

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By: TW http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-6110 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:30:19 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/#comment-6110 🙂 seems about right 🙂

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By: nullifidian http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-6108 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:27:10 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/#comment-6108

Remember religious people have a strange status in society…

‘Privileged wingnuts’, I believe is the correct expression.

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By: TW http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-6103 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:07:14 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/#comment-6103 Yes. Must be some ley lines running through the place or something…

On the previous comment, the fact she was a witness wasn’t the lead part of the headline, but I think it is relevant to this. It is part of (I suspect) the reason why there was less social concern about her behaviour. Remember religious people have a strange status in society…

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By: Heather http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-6099 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:19:35 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/#comment-6099 And what is it about Gloucestershire, anyway?
Didn’t Fred and Rose West live there?

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By: Heather http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-6096 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:04:51 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/#comment-6096 I agree, so I’m going to indulge my habit of commneting on your posts as well.
Everyone wants to scapegoat social workers. A social worker would hardly expect such levels of evil and would be much more justifiably vilified if they started treating every foster parent as a potential psycho. All the same, these kids were put there by someone who apparently seemed satisfied with how they got on.
Obviously the social workers were pretty **** (fearing a libel suit..) but what about the neighbours, teachers, people who saw them in the street. Did nobody ever question what was happening to these kids?
The complete absence of any social concern is obviously how she could become a “pillar of the community” What community? If the closed worlds of Jehovah’s Witnesses or social services fostering services aren’t “communities” then what “community” is there?
The fact that the media made so much of her being a Witness is indeed unfair. Most violent criminals probably tick the “C of E” or “RC” or “Islam” – or even “None” – boxes.
If the papers started using headlines like “Catholic stabs man in brawl” or “Atheist drives without seat belt” 🙂 it would be surprising but not greatly illuminating. This would be back to the “Pol Pot was an atheist” mad line of reasoning, referred to in your previous post.how to defend religion

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By: TW http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-6092 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:17:37 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/03/30/religion-has-problems/#comment-6092 Sorry, commenting on my own posts is becoming a habit. On the Evening Standard article there is a comment which reads:

The children’s services agency and the social worker that was responsible for this case should be held legally responsible as. They should be charged with out a doubt and certainly loose their ability to work in child and family welfare along with the fact that they should pay reparations and serve time in jail. The head of the agency as well should immediately to be forced to resign. Where is the accountability?

Correct me if I am wrong, but Spry is accountable and should be punished. Witch hunting every agency is not the solution. Yes the social workers should have spotted it sooner and acted upon it but at the end of the day it was Spry who abused the children.

Who in their right mind would want to be a social worker – talk about a lose/lose job…

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