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Comments on: Guns and Crime http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/01/17/guns-and-crime/ Challenging the Zeitgeist Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:44:47 +0000 hourly 1 By: Why Dont You…Blog? » Blog Archive » Guns and kicking http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/01/17/guns-and-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-1232 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:40:05 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/01/17/guns-and-crime/#comment-1232 […] So, even in unarmed combat, the feet are deadlier weapons than the hands. The likelihood of death depends on the power of the weapon.  To take up on points in the guns-and-crime blog, fights in which feet are used will be deadlier than those in which punches are traded. Where the protaganists have  knives or guns, there is always more chance of death or serious injury. […]

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By: TW http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/01/17/guns-and-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-1108 Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:08:13 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/01/17/guns-and-crime/#comment-1108 You have missed a lot of the point about my comments and your reply actually verifies it. If you carry a gun and are robbed, you will draw the gun – the situation escalates. If you are not carrying a gun, you can not draw one. This is not saying the gun carrying law abiding citizens are more likely to be criminals and saying that they are more accurate or less likely to shoot the wrong person is irrelevant.

I have already discussed the slippery slope fallacy elsewhere so I will try to avoid it and I hope at no point did I imply that issuing permits to carry guns would result in the streets being covered in blood (etc). I am not suggesting the carrying of guns should be prohibited.

The fact remains, that while lots of “normal” people who carry guns will be well disciplined and skilled handlers of the weapons, there will also be a statistical average distribution of deviants. But again, this was not my point.

If you are carrying a gun, it is because you intend to escalate a violent situation. I doubt most people carry one simply to have something nice in their pocket while they get robbed.

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By: Big Gay Al http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/01/17/guns-and-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-1107 Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:27:20 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2007/01/17/guns-and-crime/#comment-1107 Near the end, you said “The more people carry guns, the more likely an otherwise heated situation will turn violent.”

Time has proven this assumption to be wrong. As of today, 48 out of 50 US States have concealed carry laws. The majority (39) are of the “shall issue” type, which means, if the state can’t find a legal reason to deny your permit, they must issue a permit to you, if you apply and fulfill all the criteria.

In many of the states that have gone to shall issue permits, there was a cry from the anti-freedom crowd that there would be blood in the streets, hi-way road rage would look like Dodge City of the old west (a false image in it’s self) and that gun deaths would soar.

NONE of that has happened. The average Concealed Carry permit holder is MORE law-abiding than the average citizen. We are less likely to resort to gun play. And when we do, we tend to be more accurate than the police. And we are much less likely to shoot the wrong person than the police.

And FYI, Dodge City of the old west was more peaceful than present day Chicago.

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