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Comments on: Follow Up http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2006/12/26/follow-up/ Challenging the Zeitgeist Mon, 01 Jan 2007 19:57:22 +0000 hourly 1 By: Why Dont You…Blog? » Blog Archive » The Spread of Madness http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2006/12/26/follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-689 Mon, 01 Jan 2007 19:57:22 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2006/12/26/follow-up/#comment-689 t have the problem of ‘Intelligent’ Design. [...]]]> […] A day or two ago, when I was chastised for incorrectly representing the views of the author of a weblog one of the comments read: Reading his [Dawkins] comments about creationism is a delight, especially because in Europe we (thankfully) don’t have the problem of ‘Intelligent’ Design. […]

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By: Why Dont You…Blog? » Blog Archive » Update on Atheist Resurgence http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2006/12/26/follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-663 Sun, 31 Dec 2006 22:43:17 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2006/12/26/follow-up/#comment-663 […] Now, this isn’t the first time I have been challenged over an apparent mistake I made in a blog post, and it is unlikely to be the last, so I want to try and set the record straight here. […]

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By: TW http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2006/12/26/follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-643 Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:22:07 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2006/12/26/follow-up/#comment-643 Thank you for replying here.

I agree Dawkins is acidic at best, I have never particularly warmed to him in the past, although after reading the volumes of “hate blogs” which seem to exist my opinion is changing slightly.

Please note: I do not mean to imply you blog is one of them and I whole heartedly apologise for creating a false image.

I agree with your banner of Atheism quote whole heartedly.

I don’t agree with the requirement to create a level playing field though, however I suspect this would be better served in a brand new blog post.

Once again, thank you for getting back to me and clarifying the issue. Sorry for misrepresenting your perspective.

As a final note, Europe is (sadly) not as free or immune from the madness of Intelligent Design as it used to be. Here in the UK, schools are being sent ID teaching materials and city academies are allowed to teach it if they see fit. (Thin end of the wedge?)

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By: Adri http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2006/12/26/follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-636 Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:41:42 +0000 http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/2006/12/26/follow-up/#comment-636 Hey there,

I’m the guy who wrote the three points railing against Dawkins.

Above all, what I detest of Dawkins is his arrogant style which only preaches to the converted – alienating people who might identify with what he’s saying but don’t like calling religious people straight out stupid.

The single best quote which to me should be the banner of modern atheism is: “I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” It’s smart, it’s devastatingly clear and disarmingly true because it circumvents the problem of making conclusive and finalising statements.

The fact is that although Dawkins is in fact a biologist, you cannot expect to try to tackle the question of the existance of god on this level alone – the Big Bang is not evidence of there being a god. The Big Bang is evidence of our incapability to explain events – for that matter, to date nobody can conclusively explain gravity. To make a conclusive statement requires an astounding amount of evidence and self-confidence in the veridity of the statement. Saying that God does not exist period is as fallacious as saying he does. Dawkins certainly can’t explain the Big Bang – neither can I. This ambiguity levels the playing field and opens the floor for debate and discussion. The absence of conclusive evidence denies the possibility of a statement which is the end-all.

Bottom line: You left out the last paragraph I wrote which does explain my attitude very effectively. Reading your post alone I would have thought I was some hillbilly Christian fundamentalist.

“I’m not a religious man in the least. I back away from religions which try to channel your spirituality through others – Catholicism, Islam, etc. (Buddhism is blisfully safe). I beleive in reason, rationale and science above all else. Yet despite his enlightened ideals, I find Mr. Dawkins to be unnecessarily acidic, rude and dogmatically final – a discredit to the profession of science.”

Dawkins has many enlightened ideas about biology. Reading his comments about creationism is a delight, especially because in Europe we (thankfully) don’t have the problem of ‘Intelligent’ Design.

But when someone crosses the line into arrogance and starts making authoritative statements – may it be Dawkins or Newton or anyone, I just get ticked off.

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